"checking it down"

[stellerteller]

After reading and posting this, I really started to take note of what goes on and I am disappointed to tell you that about 75% of the time someone will bet into an empty side-pot or a small one... I think to myself... what the heck. Some people just don't pay close enough attention...

[playful1]

Ya I noticed that 2 butt I think they r known as sandbaggers lol....

[JohnPrzytulski]

If you have ace queen and the flop comes queen seven four, do not check. Bet it out because you probably have the all in player beat and you don't want other players drawing for free.

[1FOOL4POKER]

That sounds about right JP but I have seen some people try the old table etiquette bs and then try to stick it to you on the river. You know what I'm saying?

[downwitdasickness420]

i find that when i check it down i usually lose lol but it is the right thing to do no sence doubling up a shortstack when someone bets out a winner to let a short stack steal 1 ......cant lose more when you check it down !!

[Stray]

I believe in the 'checkdown'. I usually get bet at. If I have a decent hand, I'll raise back and often knock both out. If not, I'll fold rather than hand over chips. If the original all-in ends up winning, there's not much that can be done about that either way...

[go2ac]

I do not believe in checking it down if you think you have the best hand. I agree there are times, but too many times that J4off takes down the pot because many limpers gang up on the person who is all-in. It's not about knocking one person out, but to accumalate all of the chips. If betting gives me a better chance of winning the pot,I will. Sorry, just my view of it.

[LAPPIN]

I disagree with most of the above comments - there are plenty of situations where the co-operation play should be ignored. I would generally not bet into a dry pot unless I felt firstly that I was potentially ahead of the all-in player. However, if i felt there was merit in creating some side action, ie. to tell a new 3-part story to the other player that cud result in me taking some of their chips then I might. Players (particularly like the purists above) put a premium on knocking players out far too early in a tournament. It doesn't matter to me if my meddling keeps another player in as long as I have taken an action that i believed had a positive expectation for me. Starting a dry pot on the flop, to bet and build it up on the turn to get your opponent to fold on the river is a powerful play (a play that is given so much more credibility for the very fact that purists make the assumption that a player wud not do this without something big). So what if the all-in player has u crushed. Good for him - the chips weren't on there way to you anyway. I don't care about him unless I'm on a FT and moving up a spot in the money.

I would also bet into a dry pot to protect my hand. Say I have 1010 in the CO and i raise to 600 with the blinds 100 and 200. The player in the SB calls for there remaining 600 chips and the BB feeling he's getting a good price calls too. If the flop comes 9, 6, 4, I will definitely bet if it is checked to me. My hand needs to be protected. I didn't start this hand by committing to a co-operation play - it was put upon me. If the SB had folded and the BB had defended, I would certainly protect my vulnerable hand in this spot so why should i change my game plan now. I have hit the perfect flop for my hand. I am not about to give a free card to the BB just to up the chances of knocking out the SB. That would be absurd. If I bet 1500 into this pot and the BB folds - and the SB shows 44 for bottom set, I don't give a hoot if the turn comes 5 and the river comes 2 and the BB starts complaining that he laid down 33 which wudda str8ened, therefore knocking the SB out. I played my hand correctly.

[Dierks]

Using the last example of you being the original raiser and the all in calling your raise, then I definitely would have to bet there to protect my hand as well. I guess to clarify the scenario I would refer to is, player 1 goes all-in and 2 others just call. In this scenario you wouldn't be calling with a pocket pair. If you had a pp in this scenario then you should be shoving or at least raising to get player 1 heads-up.

[osiron23]

It makes me so mad to be in a tourney when they don't check it down when someone's all-in. I was a a tourney once. I had AK, short stack is all-in, I call along with another guy. Flop comes 2J5 rainbow. I check immediately, expecting the same from the other guy. NOPE. He bets about half the pot. Of course, I fold. He flips up his cards: 9s10s. wtf. Short stack had A10. He ends up tripling up....

In the end, it all works out, though. The previous short stack knocks out the donkey and I win the tourney .