Omaha/Omaha hi-lo Cash game play

[JMoney2681]

Originally Posted by TenMostWanted

O8 always seems to make me angry because, no matter what your starting hand is....everyone at the table can look at there hand, and see a handful of outs, and nobody lays down.
However, I played an O8 tourney a while back, and it went pretty good, made the final table.

This is just like any poker game. Donks play too many hands too far that they think are "good" and they end up donating a ton in games like O8.

[k1ller22]

Cardwarfare,

This absolutely helps. It's gonna take a while for this info to sink in, LOL. Thanks for everything, you're the best.

I played a $2 SNG O8 earlier and took 1st. Your help is already paying off. I think I'll head to a cash table and give it a try.

K1ller22

[CardWarfare]

Originally Posted by k1ller22

Cardwarfare,

This absolutely helps. It's gonna take a while for this info to sink in, LOL. Thanks for everything, you're the best.

I played a $2 SNG O8 earlier and took 1st. Your help is already paying off. I think I'll head to a cash table and give it a try.

K1ller22

The best way to learn it is to put it into practice. It'll take a little while to get some of the finer points down, but you have an advantage by simply knowing what hands to start with. I see so many terrible hands being shown down in O8 games that I know it's profitable for me to stay in the game, even if I just got rivered and I'm stuck.


Congrats on the SNG win.. Make sure to check out those FCP posts I gave you, if you haven't already, because depending on what type of O8 you're playing, whether it's pot limit or limit, there are different strategies, which are covered in more detail in those posts.

[Dierks]

Great posts CW! Makes me want to take a half day of work and go home to play O8 right now. Not going to happen, but maybe later. This is exactly why I wanted to join a poker forum. I'm just glad I found the best one on the net as early as I did.

[gkunit20]

Ok, his hand was the hand that knocked me out of an OH freeroll on Fulltilt. Background: This guy had been raising EVERY hand, and showing down "meh" hands. Do you get away from this?

Full Tilt Poker Game #1335783530: $100 Freeroll (9337506), Table 48 - 300/600 - Pot Limit Omaha - 16:11:55 ET - 2006/12/01
Seat 1: dmginsb (111,158)
Seat 2: leeclark (122,727)
Seat 3: gkunit20 (17,610)
Seat 4: stets36 (11,010)
Seat 5: GlennDea (1,174), is sitting out
Seat 6: i am the best 1 (26,291)
Seat 7: MonteQue (21,487)
Seat 8: dadman63 (15,728)
Seat 9: Saab 9-5 (57,643)
GlennDea posts the small blind of 300
i am the best 1 posts the big blind of 600
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gkunit20 [Kc Jh Th Qd]
MonteQue folds
dadman63 folds
Saab 9-5 folds
dmginsb raises to 2,100
leeclark folds
gkunit20 raises to 7,200
stets36 folds
GlennDea folds
i am the best 1 folds
dmginsb raises to 22,500
gkunit20 calls 10,410, and is all in
dmginsb shows [6h Qh Kh 9h]
gkunit20 shows [Kc Jh Th Qd]
Uncalled bet of 4,890 returned to dmginsb
*** FLOP *** [Js 2h 6c]
*** TURN *** [Js 2h 6c] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [Js 2h 6c Ts] [8c]
dmginsb shows a straight, Queen high
gkunit20 shows two pair, Jacks and Tens
dmginsb wins the pot (36,120) with a straight, Queen high
gkunit20 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 36,120 | Rake 0
Board: [Js 2h 6c Ts 8c]
Seat 1: dmginsb showed [6h Qh Kh 9h] and won (36,120) with a straight, Queen high
Seat 2: leeclark didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: gkunit20 showed [Kc Jh Th Qd] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Tens
Seat 4: stets36 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: GlennDea (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: i am the best 1 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: MonteQue didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: dadman63 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: Saab 9-5 didn't bet (folded)

[CardWarfare]

I didn't read this correctly when you sent it to me on AIM... I thought the money went in on the flop when you made top 2. I didn't realize it all went in preflop...

That changes my answer. Yes. I get away from it. I don't like gambling big preflop, and would either fold, or call with position looking to get a flop. I definately don't come over the top of him pre-flop. Maybe on the flop I raise him, but even that's a bit risky. I think there were several oppurtunities here for you not to go broke.

[gkunit20]

Originally Posted by CardWarfare

I didn't read this correctly when you sent it to me on AIM... I thought the money went in on the flop when you made top 2. I didn't realize it all went in preflop...

That changes my answer. Yes. I get away from it. I don't like gambling big preflop, and would either fold, or call with position looking to get a flop. I definately don't come over the top of him pre-flop. Maybe on the flop I raise him, but even that's a bit risky. I think there were several oppurtunities here for you not to go broke.

So the fact that he's just as likely to have 375T badugi doesn't change your answer? His stats were something like Flops seen 100%, Raises pf: 92%

[CardWarfare]

Originally Posted by gkunit20

So the fact that he's just as likely to have 375T badugi doesn't change your answer? His stats were something like Flops seen 100%, Raises pf: 92%

Not really.. It's just like in a holdem tournament.. If a guy is pushing all in every hand, would I call off all my chips with a hand like KJ? Probably not.

[gkunit20]

Originally Posted by CardWarfare

Not really.. It's just like in a holdem tournament.. If a guy is pushing all in every hand, would I call off all my chips with a hand like KJ? Probably not.

However, if we were to break it down like a holdem tournament, my hand would have been equivilent to JJ or such, which would have been the correct call.

[CardWarfare]

Originally Posted by gkunit20

However, if we were to break it down like a holdem tournament, my hand would have been equivilent to JJ or such, which would have been the correct call.

I was thinking more along the lines of KQ, with him holding KJ.. You did have him dominated, but a hand like JJ can stand up on its own. Regardless of how dominated your hand had him, it needed to improve. Especially in Omaha.

Still the correct call if you make it and see his hand, but not a hand I'd like to call of my stack with if I'm not desperate.