Stud/ Stud hi-lo / Razz Strategy

[CardWarfare]

Fuckin' missed bets hurt man...



PokerStars Game #7303996093: 7 Card Stud Limit ($0.10/$0.20) - 2006/12/04 - 21:44:15 (ET)
Table 'Delvaux' 8-max
Seat 1: joeoptic ($2.90 in chips)
Seat 3: over45 ($2.75 in chips)
Seat 4: Bruno-maluco ($2.34 in chips)
Seat 6: sirstew ($5.39 in chips)
Seat 7: el kabong37 ($1.14 in chips)
Seat 8: CardWarfare ($6.72 in chips)
joeoptic: posts the ante $0.02
over45: posts the ante $0.02
Bruno-maluco: posts the ante $0.02
sirstew: posts the ante $0.02
el kabong37: posts the ante $0.02
CardWarfare: posts the ante $0.02


*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to joeoptic [4s]
Dealt to over45 [Qh]
Dealt to Bruno-maluco [8c]
Dealt to sirstew [7c]
Dealt to el kabong37 [5s]
Dealt to CardWarfare [9d 8d 9c]
RabidTortuga joins the table at seat #2
joeoptic: brings-in low $0.05
over45: calls $0.05
Bruno-maluco: folds
sirstew: calls $0.05
el kabong37: folds
CardWarfare: calls $0.05



*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to joeoptic [4s] [Kc]
Dealt to over45 [Qh] [Ts]
Dealt to sirstew [7c] [Tc]
Dealt to CardWarfare [9d 8d 9c] [9s]
Pair on board - a double bet is allowed
CardWarfare: bets $0.20
joeoptic: folds
over45: calls $0.20
sirstew: folds


*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to over45 [Qh Ts] [Ac]
Dealt to CardWarfare [9d 8d 9c 9s] [2d]
CardWarfare: bets $0.20
over45: raises $0.20 to $0.40
CardWarfare: calls $0.20


*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to over45 [Qh Ts Ac] [6s]
Dealt to CardWarfare [9d 8d 9c 9s 2d] [Jc]
CardWarfare: checks
over45: bets $0.20
CardWarfare: calls $0.20


*** RIVER ***
Dealt to CardWarfare [9d 8d 9c 9s 2d Jc] [8s]
CardWarfare: checks
over45: checks



*** SHOW DOWN ***
over45: shows [7h Qc Qh Ts Ac 6s 6d] (two pair, Queens and Sixes)
CardWarfare: shows [9d 8d 9c 9s 2d Jc 8s] (a full house, Nines full of Eights)
CardWarfare collected $1.83 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.92 | Rake $0.09
Seat 1: joeoptic folded on the 4th Street
Seat 3: over45 showed [7h Qc Qh Ts Ac 6s 6d] and lost with two pair, Queens and Sixes
Seat 4: Bruno-maluco folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 6: sirstew folded on the 4th Street
Seat 7: el kabong37 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 8: CardWarfare showed [9d 8d 9c 9s 2d Jc 8s] and won ($1.83) with a full house, Nines full of Eights






My thinking in this hand was that I wasn't sure if my set was good when he raised me with AQT showing. I thought it was possible he had made a straight, so I was going to wait to fill up, before getting aggressive,
but was also planning on paying him off if I didn't. I figured the check call on 6th would save me a bet if I didn't improve, and might also draw a bet out from him on 7th. When I filled up, I had decided I was going to c/r, since I played 6th so weakly.

I checked, he checked behind with two pair. Bah.

[gkunit20]

Yeah, but if you're going to wait to fill up, you gotta actually bet when you fill up. My strategy for most(all) stud games is to not slow play hands.

[SloPlaySteph]

Originally Posted by gkunit20

3 main rules for razz:
1. Don't slow play
2. Don't slow play
3. Don't slow play

If you have the best hand, bet it. Also, play YOUR cards alot less. If you have a hand like (KQ)A, and the lowest card showing otherwise is a 7, complete it. Then, if you still have the best hand showing on 4th, and your opponent catches a card like a 9 or T, bet again.

Don't chase as much. However, if it's 5th street, and you have a hand like (37)A49, peel 6th. At this point, you're the favorite to make the best hand. Also, there is another big rule you'll want to commit to memory. That's the "2 brick-fold" rule. Basically, if you're in a hand, and you get two "bricks" (any card that pairs you or is between 9-K, and on later streets 8-K), fold. At this point, you'd need runners to make your hand, which is unlikely.

looks like I won't be looking to pick up the game at all anytime soon at least

[CardWarfare]

Originally Posted by gkunit20

Yeah, but if you're going to wait to fill up, you gotta actually bet when you fill up. My strategy for most(all) stud games is to not slow play hands.

It wasn't really slowplaying. It was more playing conservatively. I took the lead until I met with resistance. I wasn't sure where I was at, but deicded that since he had played 5th and 6th streets so aggressively, I could get a c/r in on the river. Unfortunately, he checked behind.

[gkunit20]

Originally Posted by SloPlaySteph

looks like I won't be looking to pick up the game at all anytime soon at least

Yeah, slowplaying in razz will kill you. You NEVER want to give your opponent an opportunity to beat you.

[in4win]

I've tried playing horse Ido pretty good till I get to razz just don't understand that game.Could you explain it to me.

[CardWarfare]

Originally Posted by in4win

I've tried playing horse Ido pretty good till I get to razz just don't understand that game.Could you explain it to me.

:paging HangukMiguk or GKunit, please report to the stud thread. Hanguk or GK, please report to the stud thread. Thank you:

[gkunit20]

Originally Posted by in4win

I've tried playing horse Ido pretty good till I get to razz just don't understand that game.Could you explain it to me.

Check page 2 of this for my razz advice.

Summary:
1. Don't slow play
2. Play your cards about 35-40% of the time and your oponents 60-65%
3. Fold if you brick twice (Brick= 9 or higher/8 or higher in some(most) cases)

[JMoney2681]

Originally Posted by gkunit20

Check page 2 of this for my razz advice.

We ARE on page 2...*looks around*

[gkunit20]

Originally Posted by JMoney2681

We ARE on page 2...*looks around*

REally? Ok, then check page 1.